Jugement de la Main, Perfidie

The Hand’s Judgment
Faction:
Neutral
Type:
Event
Cost:
X
Card Text:
Interrupt: When the effects of an opponent's event would initiate, cancel those effects. X is that event's printed cost.


Treachery
Faction:
Lannister
Type:
Event
Cost:
1
Card Text:
Play only if you control a unique [Lannister] character.

Interrupt: When the effects of a triggered character, location, or attachment ability would initiate, cancel those effects.


Quand on Cancel avec Jugement de la main, les coûts restent-il payé ? Par exemple comme "incliner sa carte faction" pour In the Name of Your King !

(In the Name of Your King!
Faction:
Baratheon (Loyal)
Type:
Event
Cost:
1
Card Text:
Play only during a [Military] challenge in which you are the defending player.
Action: Kneel your faction card to end this challenge with no winner or loser. Until the end of the phase, you cannot initiate [Military] challenges.)



Pareil pour Perfidie, tous les coûts sont payés une fois cancel ?



Je dirais non pour Jugement de la Main (sauf l'or) car on a jamais le temps de faire l'Action, et oui pour Perfidie, car l'effet est déjà déclenché.

Tout à fait

Par exemple, si tu annules une kingsroad avec treachery, et bien elle part quand même en défausse (que c'est vile )

Les coûts sont payés avant l'annulation. Au passage, la formulation est identique entre Perfidie et Jugement : « When the effects of [...] would initiate, cancel those effects. », donc aucune raison que la réponse soit différente.

RRG a écrit:

1. Check play restrictions: can the card be marshaled or played, or the ability initiated, at this time?
2. Determine the cost (or costs, if multiple costs are required) to marshal/play the card or initiate the ability. If it is established that the cost (taking modifiers into account) can be paid, proceed with the remaining steps of this sequence.
3. Apply any modifiers to the cost(s).
4. Pay the cost(s).
5. Choose target(s), if applicable.
6. The card is marshaled/played, or the effects of the ability attempt to initiate. An interrupt ability that cancels this initiation may be used at this time.
7. The effects of the ability (if not canceled in step 6) complete their initiation, and resolve.

Citation :

1. Check play restrictions: can the card be marshaled or played, or the ability initiated, at this time?
2. Determine the cost (or costs, if multiple costs are required) to marshal/play the card or initiate the ability. If it is established that the cost (taking modifiers into account) can be paid, proceed with the remaining steps of this sequence.
3. Apply any modifiers to the cost(s).
4. Pay the cost(s).
5. Choose target(s), if applicable.
6. The card is marshaled/played, or the effects of the ability attempt to initiate. An interrupt ability that cancels this initiation may be used at this time.
7. The effects of the ability (if not canceled in step 6) complete their initiation, and resolve.

Donc, si je comprends bien, dans le cas de In The Name of Your King, l'Action d'incliner sa carte faction ne fait pas partie du coût ?

Si, parce que le mot « to » indique que ce qui précède est un coût.

RRG a écrit:

Some card abilities are presented in a “do X to do Y” construct. In such a construct, the “do X” aspect (preceding the word “to”) is a cost, and the “do Y” aspect (following the word “to”) is an effect.

Khudzlin a écrit:

Si, parce que le mot « to » indique que ce qui précède est un coût.

RRG a écrit:

Some card abilities are presented in a “do X to do Y” construct. In such a construct, the “do X” aspect (preceding the word “to”) is a cost, and the “do Y” aspect (following the word “to”) is an effect.

Donc jugement de la Main cancel In the Name, la pièce d'or est payé, et la carte est inclinée.

Je te remercie de la réponse, ce n'était pas clair dans ma tête.