zack Garde de Nuit de Paris
Messages : 1946 Age : 45
| Sujet: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 9:54 | |
| Voici mon deck du régio IdF, ou je termine 3e, top Targ, et 2e du swiss. - Decklist:
House Targaryen The Wars To Come Draw deck: 61 cards Plot deck: 10 cards Packs: Core Set (3), The Road to Winterfell, Wolves of the North, Calm over Westeros, True Steel, Across the Seven Kingdoms, There Is My Claim, All Men Are Fools, Watchers on the Wall, Guarding the Realm, Oberyn's Revenge, The Brotherhood Without Banners, House of Thorns, The Archmaester's Key, Journey to Oldtown, Sands of Dorne, The Faith Militant, The Shadow City
Plot (10) 1x Counting Coppers 1x Exchange of Information 2x Marched to the Wall 1x Nothing Burns Like The Cold 1x Retaliation 1x Trade Routes 1x Valar Dohaeris 1x Valar Morghulis 1x Varys's Riddle
Character (28) 2x Aegon Targaryen 1x Daario Naharis 3x Daenerys Targaryen (TFM) 1x Drogon (Core) 2x Freedmen 1x Khal Drogo 1x Littlefinger 2x Missandei 3x Qotho 3x Rhaegal (Core) 3x Second Sons 1x Ser Jorah Mormont 3x Viserion 2x Viserys Targaryen (Core)
Attachment (1) 1x Crown of Gold
Location (18) 3x Flea Bottom 2x Gates of the Moon 2x Isle of Ravens 2x Plaza of Pride 2x Shadowblack Lane 2x Slaver's Bay Port 2x The Roseroad 3x Tourney Grounds
Event (14) 3x A Dragon Is No Slave 2x Consuming Flames 3x Dracarys! 2x Fire and Blood 1x Funeral Pyre 2x Nightmares 1x Put to the Torch
J'ai écrit un commentaire du deck en Anglais pour Thronesdb et j'ai la flemme de le traduire en Français, donc je le copie-colle ci-dessous en originel (mes excuses!, ou alors vous pouvez considérer que je le fais pour gentillesse et pour vous épargner mes typos en Français :-)) - Commentaire:
This is the deck I brought to the Paris regional last week-end. I ended up 3rd overall and swiss runner-up. With the same deck I also won a small GNK a couple of weeks ago.
Key ideas
The spine of the deck is a fairly straightforward mid-range Targ burn deck, that evolved organically from my previous Targ/Wars deck, with a few key changes:
- Double Marched to the Wall. This kind of Targ decks have no specific win condition, so you have to control/empty the board first, and then do regular challenges to reach 15 powers. The strategy works well in the current weeny/low curve meta, but you might struggle a lot against big guys deck. Double marched helps a lot against that, it fits well with Wars to Come and the abundance of Targ from-the-discard-pile effects. Also, it can often surprise the opponent, especially if you feint "wasting" your first Marched against a mid-range character.
- Aegon as finisher. As you have no win condition, you might often struggle to finish the game if the opponent doesn't concede. This is particularly bad in actual tournaments, where the risk of losing at the end of time is real. Aegon Targaryen helps a lot with this, especially if you pair it with a 2 claim plot and an impactful character like Daario.
- Recursion. The usual strategy to beat Targ burn is to make them use burn events early in the game, when it doesn't matter much, e.g., because you're gonna reset later anyway, and go all-in late when they likely don't have burn anymore. So here I play 2x Isle of Ravens and 2x Shadowblack Lane, to make sure I see either if not both of them in most games. That, plus 3x A Drawon Is No Slave generally makes you have burn in hand for the entire match.
Plot deck
Double Marched, as discussed above. Exchange of Information instead of a 2nd Counting Coppers, generally as opener, for the extra gold and extra initiative, and also for tutoring the Crown T1 as a counter against annoying characters like small Catelyn, Tris, or Aeron. Riddle is often my 3rd Counting (possibly as opener) and might save your day if used to double opponent Valar. Retaliation is the finisher, generally after you've setup Aegon in Shadow and made sure Daario is in the draw deck. The rest is business as usual: board control, economy, location control.
Draw deck
Mostly good-stuff cards, so just a few notes.
Characters. 1x Khal and 1x Daario because they are really just finishers, not needed early/mid-game. You can play Khal early, either to bait a reset, or if you feel confident in the classic T1 Retaliation with Plaza of Pride and Khal on setup---it might win you games, but of course is very risky. 2x Freedmen to fuel your Marched, resist First Snow, and (re)populate the board quickly either on T1 with no econ, or after a reset.
Attachments. The obvious crown. Beggar King might be added to have an additional target for Exchange of Information, but I remain skeptical of the usefulness of King In The North in Targ burn, so I prefer to not play that module and avoid having stuff that would get in the way of my own Nothing Burns.
Locations. 2x for both Isle of Ravens/Shadowblack Lane for recursion as discussed above (plus, Isle is a great Flea Bottom counter in the current meta). Non-limited econ because it makes stellar setup and boosts your Trade Routes. 2x Gates of the Moon because having it on setup it's game-changing.
Event. The usual burn, Put to the Torch as the perfect match for Nothing Burns, and Nightmares for mirror matches (or Bran, Winterfell, whatever :-)). 2x Fire and Blood rather than 1x (which is often considered enough with Shadowblack Lane), because you really want to tutor burn above all else, and cycling dragons is useful also in early game.
Tournament aftermath
I'm bad at tournament reports, so I won't even try. I went 6-2 overall, and lost in both occasions against passive power gain: one against Martell/Wars that makes 6 power in a turn with Doran's Game (which I couldn't stop), and one against Iron Throne/Chamber (I went 2-1 against that deck during the day, but on the 3rd occasion I had a horrible setup and would never really recover from it, that's life :-)).
In hindsight, I'd had back more location control. To go well with Nothing Burns you really need 2x Put to the Torch, or maybe 1x + 1x Jade Sea Dromond. I've cut the 2nd Put to the Torch a few weeks back for 1x Funeral Pyre because I feared not having enough draw in late game, but that has never really been the case, so switching back might make sense. Also, slotting in a 2nd copy of Littlefinger might make sense: it's an useful power icon in late game, and useful money in early, and you can cycle it well with Marched/Dohaeris/Isle.
Feedback welcome!
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Toomagic Main du Roi 2013 - Champion de France Joute 2015
Messages : 8404 Age : 32
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 10:04 | |
| J'suis tout à fait d'accord avec les changements que tu proposes. Je rajouterai un Astapor pour finir de lock la game et p'têt une tite place pour Breaking Ties qui va si bien avec Nothing Burns.
My 2 cents !
GG pour la perf en tout cas ! | |
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zack Garde de Nuit de Paris
Messages : 1946 Age : 45
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 10:19 | |
| Merci pour tes retours Toomagic!
Astapor je le joué (en 2x) dans la version précédente et j'ai essayé de le jouer en 1x récemment. Je trouve qu'il est souvent du win more si tu joues pas Blood of the Dragon (dans ce cas, tout change évidemment). Et pour bouter des thons Marched et tellement mieux. J'ai essayé par contre Plaza of Punishment en 1x, et il était beaucoup plus impactant, mais evidemment pas stable. Qu'en penses tu?
Breaking Ties t'as bien raison, très bonne idée pour améliorer le contrôle des lieux. Je vois pas trop quoi sortir de la plot line par contre. Le candidat naturel serait Riddle, mais j'aurais du mal à me priver d'1 or et 2 de réserve de plus... D'autres idées? | |
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Toomagic Main du Roi 2013 - Champion de France Joute 2015
Messages : 8404 Age : 32
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 10:37 | |
| Ca me semble bien aussi.
Tu peux p'têt virer Retaliation, autant que j'aime ce plot, Breaking Ties est 200x meilleur. (Mais justifie un troisième Viserys et une Dorea à la place des Freed Men je pense.) | |
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jon-z Héritier et Pupille
Messages : 1446
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 11:20 | |
| Perso, j'virerais les 3 Qotho et les 2 Isle of Ravens, parce que c'est de la merde :p
#GouverneurDesTerresDeLaRage | |
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zack Garde de Nuit de Paris
Messages : 1946 Age : 45
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 11:21 | |
| @jon-z :-))))) viens mardi 10 à troll, revanche assurée! :-P | |
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jon-z Héritier et Pupille
Messages : 1446
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 11:39 | |
| Non, moi je ne joue plus au jeu. Je venais juste faire le compte et faire monter le charisme moyen du tournoi.
(ceci dit, vu qu'à Londres je jouerais le même deck, j'vais quand même m'entraîner un peu, notamment sur le match-up Targ) | |
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Saitake Ser Chevalier
Messages : 626 Age : 34
| Sujet: Re: Khaleesi's Warbox - 3e régio IdF, top Targ Lun 2 Juil 2018 - 12:32 | |
| Gg pour la perf! J aurais voulu en faire autant! | |
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